An initiative aimed at boosting Democrats online offers influencers up to $8,000 a month to push the party line. All they have to do is keep it secret—and agree to restrictions on their content.
You’re saying Dems should not do everything in their power to stop a fascist junta because … they need to play by the rules even though the Nazis are already burning the rulebook. That’s certainly a take, but stop treating the GOP as interested in ongoing democracy in the first place.
in this specific thread: Banzai51, the person I originally responded to, said it’s hypocritical to be upset about Democrats secretly funding influencers with dark money, because Republicans do it too. plus an allegation, with zero evidence, that when Republicans do it, there isn’t a similar amount of criticism.
I gave a concrete counter-example (Tim Pool and Tenet Media) that no, when Republicans do it, there is plenty of criticism. from both centrist outlets as well as ones that have a clear left-wing slant.
and I tried to make the point that Banzai51’s argument is itself hypocritical, even as they’re accusing others of hypocrisy. because if they’re saying it’s fine when Democrats do it, they should also be explicit about saying it’s fine when Republicans do it. or, be explicit about saying it’s bad when Republicans do it, but fine when Democrats do it - because that makes the hypocrisy (or double standard, if you want to call it that) explicit.
somehow, from that, you concluded I’m “trying to both-sides Nazis”.
on this topic more broadly: if Democrats want to fund left-of-center influencers, I broadly speaking don’t have any problem with that…as long as the funding, and the constraints placed on the influencers, is publicly disclosed (I’m guessing not understanding that is where you got “You’re saying Dems should not do everything in their power…” from?)
the attempted secrecy and control is the real problem here, both in terms of not disclosing who Chorus is funding, and in requiring those people to not disclose the strings that come attached to the funding.
and it’s more than just an abstract ethical standard I want to uphold here - influencers who accept secret funding like this will ultimately do more harm than good for Democrats, because the secrets will be exposed sooner or later. it causes a loss of trust in all left-of-center content, even from creators that don’t accept dark money. this blog that I linked to in another comment makes that point really well.
Thanks for the reply. Given this context, we essentially agree. It’s not the action, it’s the obfuscation that’s the issue. The GOP has this nailed, while Dems are now taking a stupid route to join them.
You’re saying Dems should not do everything in their power to stop a fascist junta because … they need to play by the rules even though the Nazis are already burning the rulebook. That’s certainly a take, but stop treating the GOP as interested in ongoing democracy in the first place.
nope. try again. this time without putting words in my mouth.
OK, then what are you saying?
in this specific thread: Banzai51, the person I originally responded to, said it’s hypocritical to be upset about Democrats secretly funding influencers with dark money, because Republicans do it too. plus an allegation, with zero evidence, that when Republicans do it, there isn’t a similar amount of criticism.
I gave a concrete counter-example (Tim Pool and Tenet Media) that no, when Republicans do it, there is plenty of criticism. from both centrist outlets as well as ones that have a clear left-wing slant.
and I tried to make the point that Banzai51’s argument is itself hypocritical, even as they’re accusing others of hypocrisy. because if they’re saying it’s fine when Democrats do it, they should also be explicit about saying it’s fine when Republicans do it. or, be explicit about saying it’s bad when Republicans do it, but fine when Democrats do it - because that makes the hypocrisy (or double standard, if you want to call it that) explicit.
somehow, from that, you concluded I’m “trying to both-sides Nazis”.
on this topic more broadly: if Democrats want to fund left-of-center influencers, I broadly speaking don’t have any problem with that…as long as the funding, and the constraints placed on the influencers, is publicly disclosed (I’m guessing not understanding that is where you got “You’re saying Dems should not do everything in their power…” from?)
the attempted secrecy and control is the real problem here, both in terms of not disclosing who Chorus is funding, and in requiring those people to not disclose the strings that come attached to the funding.
and it’s more than just an abstract ethical standard I want to uphold here - influencers who accept secret funding like this will ultimately do more harm than good for Democrats, because the secrets will be exposed sooner or later. it causes a loss of trust in all left-of-center content, even from creators that don’t accept dark money. this blog that I linked to in another comment makes that point really well.
Thanks for the reply. Given this context, we essentially agree. It’s not the action, it’s the obfuscation that’s the issue. The GOP has this nailed, while Dems are now taking a stupid route to join them.