This is all talk. The EU and European countries are articulating what they know their population and the EU tech sector wants them to do BUT in the end, they will do none of it. Maybe vote a few laws, fund a few cheap FOSS projects that will never truly be applied/ used by EU countries except for a handful of cities, public services. But it will remain a minority as long as the EU puts the interests of the financial sector above all others.
Talking spaces such as this lemmysub are places where we, the end users and creators can collaborate to pressure them to at least consider things and get out of this Trump/Xi dependency our politicians want for us.
But it will remain a minority as long as the EU puts the interests of the financial sector above all others.
The EU puts the interests of its elites and bureaucracies above all others. Because the EU is its elites and bureaucracies, that’s how it’s built.
OK, I don’t even live in an EU country (OK, suppose in like 50 years by some miracle Armenia joins it, and suppose I get Armenian citizenship before that …).
But - it’s not EU’s particular problem.
EU is sort of a system built entirely of “liberal democracy best practices” as they were seen in year 1999. And all its faults are highly average and general for liberal democracies.
It’s the crisis of liberal democracies as a thing, because modern technologies allow representatives to guide their populations like a Victoria II player does. Like in a global strategy. And it works. It’s not even only modern technologies, it’s also “political technologies” like what was normal for USA for many years, but to the rest of the world has spread only in the 90s and 00s. In USA those were, until some point around Reagan, balanced by functional journalism and protest culture.
Except the fact that it works in the sense of having necessary feedbacks and controls and computing power is only one side of the coin, the other side of which is that direct democracy can work too. This removes direct democracy’s disadvantage of impracticality, and removes representative democracy’s advantage of stability (the opposite of what politicians call stability, stability of democracy is the direct opposite of stability of elites, culture, morality, economics, laws and policies).
And the fact that it works in the sense of political technologies means that representative democracy gains a significant disadvantage of not being really democracy anymore. Those unfortunately work. Those can still work when voting for decisions, not people, but it’s harder to make a populace support two inconsistent (from the point of propaganda) actions than it is to make them support a politician who’ll support both and then make them doubt the inconsistency.
So to adapt for changes liberal democracies must become direct liberal democracies or turn into Russias. I have spoken.
The EU is slow moving. That can be detrimental to techhnological arms races sometimes, but the stability it provides also has a lot of benefits. Currently they are consulting start-ups in a bid to streamline innovation and incentivize venture capital. Germany is now actively trying to make business administration easier. So the necessary steps are being taken, but it will take time to implement as is the wont of the EU and its member states.
All change starts with talk, but I do think that European politicians see the acute need for a new innovation framework that is tailored to the times. Even when that framework is in place it will take several more years to visibly notice results. But then the EU per definition looks at the long game, so it’s not a bad thing per se.
I think you have missed a few chapters, it’s not slow moving it’s glacial age moving. The free software policies have been already talked about since 2003., that’s 22 years ago. None of this is new, it did not appear with trump, nor with the Russian invasions. It’s way older projects and it all remains as talks, memorandums, conventions. Never anything enforced, GDPR is not enforced seriously, DMA will not be etc…
Let’s not kid ourselves anymore with the voluntary inaction of the EU.
You cannot understand how sorry I am about it. I am the result of a intra European wedding, I went places thanks to EU collaborations, I owe my wages and work hours in big parts to EU wide regulations. I still am an EU cheerleader in many wide ranging subjects. But on this one, in which European countries have the most economic, work opportunities , attraction pole, social benefits to reap for future generations. They are too much listening to the FANGS and banks and not enough to economists. It’s basic lip service that has been going on for too long.
This is all talk. The EU and European countries are articulating what they know their population and the EU tech sector wants them to do BUT in the end, they will do none of it. Maybe vote a few laws, fund a few cheap FOSS projects that will never truly be applied/ used by EU countries except for a handful of cities, public services. But it will remain a minority as long as the EU puts the interests of the financial sector above all others.
Talking spaces such as this lemmysub are places where we, the end users and creators can collaborate to pressure them to at least consider things and get out of this Trump/Xi dependency our politicians want for us.
The EU puts the interests of its elites and bureaucracies above all others. Because the EU is its elites and bureaucracies, that’s how it’s built.
OK, I don’t even live in an EU country (OK, suppose in like 50 years by some miracle Armenia joins it, and suppose I get Armenian citizenship before that …).
But - it’s not EU’s particular problem.
EU is sort of a system built entirely of “liberal democracy best practices” as they were seen in year 1999. And all its faults are highly average and general for liberal democracies.
It’s the crisis of liberal democracies as a thing, because modern technologies allow representatives to guide their populations like a Victoria II player does. Like in a global strategy. And it works. It’s not even only modern technologies, it’s also “political technologies” like what was normal for USA for many years, but to the rest of the world has spread only in the 90s and 00s. In USA those were, until some point around Reagan, balanced by functional journalism and protest culture.
Except the fact that it works in the sense of having necessary feedbacks and controls and computing power is only one side of the coin, the other side of which is that direct democracy can work too. This removes direct democracy’s disadvantage of impracticality, and removes representative democracy’s advantage of stability (the opposite of what politicians call stability, stability of democracy is the direct opposite of stability of elites, culture, morality, economics, laws and policies).
And the fact that it works in the sense of political technologies means that representative democracy gains a significant disadvantage of not being really democracy anymore. Those unfortunately work. Those can still work when voting for decisions, not people, but it’s harder to make a populace support two inconsistent (from the point of propaganda) actions than it is to make them support a politician who’ll support both and then make them doubt the inconsistency.
So to adapt for changes liberal democracies must become direct liberal democracies or turn into Russias. I have spoken.
The EU is slow moving. That can be detrimental to techhnological arms races sometimes, but the stability it provides also has a lot of benefits. Currently they are consulting start-ups in a bid to streamline innovation and incentivize venture capital. Germany is now actively trying to make business administration easier. So the necessary steps are being taken, but it will take time to implement as is the wont of the EU and its member states.
All change starts with talk, but I do think that European politicians see the acute need for a new innovation framework that is tailored to the times. Even when that framework is in place it will take several more years to visibly notice results. But then the EU per definition looks at the long game, so it’s not a bad thing per se.
I think you have missed a few chapters, it’s not slow moving it’s glacial age moving. The free software policies have been already talked about since 2003., that’s 22 years ago. None of this is new, it did not appear with trump, nor with the Russian invasions. It’s way older projects and it all remains as talks, memorandums, conventions. Never anything enforced, GDPR is not enforced seriously, DMA will not be etc…
Let’s not kid ourselves anymore with the voluntary inaction of the EU.
You cannot understand how sorry I am about it. I am the result of a intra European wedding, I went places thanks to EU collaborations, I owe my wages and work hours in big parts to EU wide regulations. I still am an EU cheerleader in many wide ranging subjects. But on this one, in which European countries have the most economic, work opportunities , attraction pole, social benefits to reap for future generations. They are too much listening to the FANGS and banks and not enough to economists. It’s basic lip service that has been going on for too long.