Eastern Ukraine, the Donbass region, is very pro-Russia and very anti-Ukraine. Western Ukraine was shelling them for a decade, post-2014 coup, due to the hard shift from being aligned with Russia to being aligned with NATO. For these citizens, Russian presence is a good thing. Western Ukraine certainly hates that Russia has invaded, but the “hysteria” I am referring to is the kind that thinks even Eastern Ukraine opposes the Russian Federation.
So no, this isn’t a “pro-Russian” stance, in my opinion. Recognizing western-Ukraine’s shelling of civilians in eastern-ukraine for a decade, and the overwhelming support for Russian annexation of the Donbass region among Donbass residents in Donetsk and Luhansk, is something that even pro-NATO people need to recognize in order to figure out how to best deal with that underlying fact.
I can’t believe you’ve fallen for the “dey dombed bombas” story, you really are that brainwashed. All of Ukraine voted to leave Russia, most of it quite overwhelmingly.
And there was no coup, that was entirely orchestrated by Russia.
You really need to read some media from outside your bubble.
All of these are pro-Western sources that do a better job of acknowledging the reality of the situation better than you do. You seem to not only only accept pro-western news, but exclusively pro-western news that goes against the western consensus on the Donbass Region.
Oh don’t worry, I read it. Pro-western outlets like Kyiv Post reported that story, while at the same time failing to produce evidence that the referendums were unpopular after all.
The Donbass region is largely pro-Russian, and is ethnically Russian.
The Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics have been fighting Kyiv for a decade
Kyiv has been shelling Donetsk and Luhansk for a decade.
All of these are not only widely reported in non-western media, but also acknowledged by western media as well. It’s something the west and non-west can agree on, which means you rejecting it is akin to conspiracy theory.
Eastern Ukraine, the Donbass region, is very pro-Russia and very anti-Ukraine. Western Ukraine was shelling them for a decade, post-2014 coup, due to the hard shift from being aligned with Russia to being aligned with NATO. For these citizens, Russian presence is a good thing. Western Ukraine certainly hates that Russia has invaded, but the “hysteria” I am referring to is the kind that thinks even Eastern Ukraine opposes the Russian Federation.
So no, this isn’t a “pro-Russian” stance, in my opinion. Recognizing western-Ukraine’s shelling of civilians in eastern-ukraine for a decade, and the overwhelming support for Russian annexation of the Donbass region among Donbass residents in Donetsk and Luhansk, is something that even pro-NATO people need to recognize in order to figure out how to best deal with that underlying fact.
I can’t believe you’ve fallen for the “dey dombed bombas” story, you really are that brainwashed. All of Ukraine voted to leave Russia, most of it quite overwhelmingly.
And there was no coup, that was entirely orchestrated by Russia.
You really need to read some media from outside your bubble.
New York Times, reporting on Kiev using cluster bombs in the Donbass region in 2014
According to wikipedia, the vast majority of the donbass region voted for independence from Ukraine.
Wikipedia article, going over the Euromaidan coup from a pro-western perspective
Vice news, 9 years ago, in the Donetsk People’s Republic
All of these are pro-Western sources that do a better job of acknowledging the reality of the situation better than you do. You seem to not only only accept pro-western news, but exclusively pro-western news that goes against the western consensus on the Donbass Region.
From the Wikipedia article you clearly didn’t read.
I’m embarrassed for you.
Oh don’t worry, I read it. Pro-western outlets like Kyiv Post reported that story, while at the same time failing to produce evidence that the referendums were unpopular after all.
The Donbass region is largely pro-Russian, and is ethnically Russian.
The Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics have been fighting Kyiv for a decade
Kyiv has been shelling Donetsk and Luhansk for a decade.
All of these are not only widely reported in non-western media, but also acknowledged by western media as well. It’s something the west and non-west can agree on, which means you rejecting it is akin to conspiracy theory.
Yeah, this is just sad.