I can eat sushi, pizza, samosas, kebab (kabobs, döner or shawarmas depending on your frame of reference), gyoza/pot stickers/tortellone/pasteczki (or whatever), noodles/ramen/spaghetti, knödeln/kroppkakor and so on and so on. Leaving lots of cultures unsaid.

I can enjoy music, cringy cultural movies (animated and not), fun cirque sessions (even without animals being endangered), go to festivals for various cultures, enjoin then in our cultures of scouting, mountaineering, hiking and share my love of enjoying nature.

I can drive electric cars, communicate on Internet forums, keep in touch with new friends as well as loved ones across the world.

I would be in a much poorer world without you all.

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    Unfortunately for you, and all of us, there is an increasing tranche of poor people who are directly suffering because of immigration.

    We ignore these people at our peril because they will vote for the Trumpists if nobody else is representing their interests.

    The middle classes enjoyed the benefits of cheap labour, in particular, but those who had their pay and conditions destroyed are not going to vote to be turkeys at somebody else’s christmas party.

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      The billionaires have you convinced. Congratulations. Now only billionaires can benefit from cheap labour. I wonder how that happened? What kind of forces would possibly make it so that only the rich would benefit? Must be the immigrants, right?

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        I’m only in mid-six figures and I’ll admit I benefit and the poor suffer. If there was no immigrant labor general goods would cost more, and I’d feel the drag paying more for what is cheaper… like I will soon when we’re all competing with dollars for a share if smaller harvests. I predict we’ll feel it hard around thanksgiving.

        The only solutions locally are discovery of more economic ways to produce, or importing from cheaper parts of the world. We’ve been covering our eyes on where the chicken comes from for years, and we’re going to learn a hard lesson by going cold turkey.

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          Gurl. It’s resource management. We have people destroying goods to inflate price. There’s plenty for every human on the planet. It’s literally the people in control, my six figure friend, purposefully creating false scarcity and fear mongering.

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        These replies are silly.

        It is you all who will continually wonder why the world isn’t working out the way you want it to and the way your ideology told you it should, and I am happy to agree to disagree, so block it is from here on out.

        Your failure to deal with the reality poor, former working class people face has and will lead to the rise of the far right. Well done. Continue being right.

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      No, just no. You’re missing the point. Poor people are poor people, some are immigrants, some are not.

      Anything that benefits poor immigrants will also benefit poor citizens. Anything that enriches white nationals, will enrich the rich immigrants that can become nationals just paying money anyways.

      It is your boss taking away your job and giving it to the lowest bidder. It doesn’t matter who the bidder is. There will always be someone poorer than you, willing to work for less out of desperation. Sometimes they ar immigrants, sometimes they are white nationals.

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        Absolutely not. It is you that is missing the point and we will all be worse off because of it.Deal with reality.

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        There is not one thing indoctrinated of racist about my post. Your failure to accept reality suggests indoctrination.

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          Reality = immigrants bad because corporate daddy decided they’re the best scapegoats for all the shit they promulgate.

          And I accept that reality because it fits my idea of how I look at any one that’s even slightly different and “lesser” than me.

          I much rather be the only one well off. Because reality means only helping those who have the same skin color as me. Everyone else can go die.

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      Pay and conditions were not destroyed because of immigrants, but are a side effect of globalization. Production facilities were offshored, leading to a collapse of local manufacturing and low skill jobs (where no prior education is required, low skill jobs can and sometimes do require a lot of skill). Reshoring those jobs is incredibly difficult because it also means reconfiguring the supply lines. For urban areas this is not a huge issue, as those can switch to a service based economy, but for small towns this often meant that the main economic driver of the town left and people lost jobs.

      Anyway, not caused by immigration. As a matter of fact, immigrants are a significant driver of economic activity and partly offset that.

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        You are simply not dealing with reality and we will all suffer because of it.

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          It’s the Republicans who consistently vote against paying people a reasonable minimum wage and against protections for working people who are clearly to blame, but sure blame immigrants. Talk about not dealing with reality.