• Arkouda@lemmy.caOP
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    17 hours ago

    If that were true, why has no documented civilization or precivilization existed without an element of spirituality or religion in their history?

    The point is Spirituality came first, and based on evidence, was needed for humans to form groups larger than a small family unit as a way to unify “morals”.

    “What if we had science instead” is a moot point because we have Science now and proved early humans wrong.

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      17 hours ago

      First of your twisting my words i never said it were true

      Humans are dumb as fuck. They see patterns where there is none and make up reasons just to make the world make sense. Like I keep repeating your arguing coronation equestrian causation this is simply not true.

      While you seemed on the level you tipped your hand I guess were done here

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        17 hours ago

        I sincerely do not believe you understand English well enough to understand what I am saying, and I do not have the ability to explain it any better than I already have.

        If you are hung up on the whole “God” thing, know it isn’t about that.

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          17 hours ago

          Morality is nothing more than a social construct. For a society to exist there needs to be common rules

          Spirituality haz nothing to do with that

          Is that clear enough for you

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            16 hours ago

            I agree, morality is a social construct. It is a product of large groups of humans needing a unified set of common rules to get along.

            Historically, 100% of the time according to the evidence we have available on all documented groups of humans, this was done with spirituality and religion up until modern times.

            Is that clear enough for you?

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              5 hours ago

              I understand your premises ivstill disagree its spiritual. More a case of you catch more honey with flies. If we agree to certain behaviours we both benefit. This system grew up to become what we call morals and then laws

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                I would love to see the archaeological evidence that suggests our species begun exploring “morality” through agreeing on certain behaviors being “good” or “bad”. Unfortunately all evidence we have on early humans demonstrates our species has been “spiritual”, e.g. believing in a greater force beyond our control that determines outcomes and promotes group unity, as long as we were leaving a mark on the world that outlasted our bodies.

                You can disagree, but that doesn’t change what we know about early humans and their early belief systems, and that we lack any supporting evidence for your point.

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                  1 hour ago

                  We don’t need archeology we see it every day with pack animals. Those that don’t conform get ostracised or worse