God, that was a shitty night. The day after election day 2016 was horrible and I felt sick all day, but in 2024 it was a kind of grim numbness. I knew that what’s happening now was coming and I felt so fucking powerless to stop it and hated my fellow Americans who voted for it (or didn’t bother voting in states where it mattered) so much. Those last two things haven’t changed.
You might feel better that they definitely legally cheated with gerrymandering and voter restrictions, but they probably illegally cheated too. Both Trump and Musk implied that, I believe them.
It’s quite possible they fudged the numbers enough to get a win, but they definitely didn’t fake having 80 million-ish people supporting them. Even if Harris had barely squeaked out a win, this would just keep happening every election. The massive support shows me that fascism here was inevitable. Our fascist hellhole has to crash and burn for us to have any chance of becoming something better from the ashes.
I’m only chiming in because I suspect that crashing and burning won’t actually help much.
It’s too easy for humans to disassociate ‘other people’, at which point, anything can happen.
Sure, crashing and burning might lead to a better system to work with, but that basically happened to Germany a while back and they seem to be struggling with a fascist rise lately… Seems like constant vigilance might be needed given our insecurities that drive us
Oh for sure, but we know 46% of people who voted are insane, dumb and/or easily manipulated. It’s that “who voted” part that makes a difference. Fascism is never inevitable.
It was for us because of the capitalist dystopia our government chose to pursue. If Trump being elected the first time didn’t convince people it’s a bad idea, nothing would. They have to experience the horrors of it firsthand to hopefully get it through their thick skulls why it’s a bad thing and the very thing that this country was originally founded to avoid.
They have to experience the horrors of it firsthand to hopefully get it through their thick skulls why it’s a bad thing
This is such a frustrating and consistent issue. Every time I hear a story about a conservative changing their opinion, it’s because the consequences of their actions affected them or someone related to them. They can’t simply imagine how the consequences will play out or be bothered to care when it hurts their neighbors.
And even then, there’s like a 50/50 chance that they’ll just blame the Democrats for it and vow to keep voting for Republicans.
God, that was a shitty night. The day after election day 2016 was horrible and I felt sick all day, but in 2024 it was a kind of grim numbness. I knew that what’s happening now was coming and I felt so fucking powerless to stop it and hated my fellow Americans who voted for it (or didn’t bother voting in states where it mattered) so much. Those last two things haven’t changed.
You might feel better that they definitely legally cheated with gerrymandering and voter restrictions, but they probably illegally cheated too. Both Trump and Musk implied that, I believe them.
Wow. Divisive. Indecorous. Censured by both houses.
It’s quite possible they fudged the numbers enough to get a win, but they definitely didn’t fake having 80 million-ish people supporting them. Even if Harris had barely squeaked out a win, this would just keep happening every election. The massive support shows me that fascism here was inevitable. Our fascist hellhole has to crash and burn for us to have any chance of becoming something better from the ashes.
I’m only chiming in because I suspect that crashing and burning won’t actually help much.
It’s too easy for humans to disassociate ‘other people’, at which point, anything can happen.
Sure, crashing and burning might lead to a better system to work with, but that basically happened to Germany a while back and they seem to be struggling with a fascist rise lately… Seems like constant vigilance might be needed given our insecurities that drive us
There’s definitely a good chance we’ll go right back to this shit in a few generations, assuming we get out of it this time.
“The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.”
Ay, that’s the quote I was grasping for!
Oh for sure, but we know 46% of people who voted are insane, dumb and/or easily manipulated. It’s that “who voted” part that makes a difference. Fascism is never inevitable.
Democrats should’ve ran an actual leftist candidate.
FPTP should also be abolished so you lot aren’t stuck with Dems vs Reps in the first place.
It was for us because of the capitalist dystopia our government chose to pursue. If Trump being elected the first time didn’t convince people it’s a bad idea, nothing would. They have to experience the horrors of it firsthand to hopefully get it through their thick skulls why it’s a bad thing and the very thing that this country was originally founded to avoid.
This is such a frustrating and consistent issue. Every time I hear a story about a conservative changing their opinion, it’s because the consequences of their actions affected them or someone related to them. They can’t simply imagine how the consequences will play out or be bothered to care when it hurts their neighbors.
And even then, there’s like a 50/50 chance that they’ll just blame the Democrats for it and vow to keep voting for Republicans.
I don’t know about you, but this makes it worse, cause they are getting away with it so easily. They will cheat twice as hard for the next election.
Yeah, but they also got away with everything else up to that point.
So… Be the change?
You remember the day after the 2016 election? I drank too much to remember anything else I might have done.
I do. I wish I could forget. The fact that those were good days by comparison is…depressing.