It used to be that nonviolent protest was intended to provoke a violent suppressive reaction from the state. It might be uncomfortable to some but I think the white moderate that MLK agitated against are the same people concern trolling over the optics of various forms of nonviolent protest now.
Agitation is the point. Provoking violence from the state is the point.
People aren’t doing it just to get beat up. It’s about making a fascist regime look as bad as they are. Which looks worse? A country blatantly attacking its own citizens flying its own flag? Or a country attacking illegal immigrants flying a flag of a foreign country we’ve kinda’ had a war with in the past?
One of these has much more powerful imagery, especially for the dumdums who do not understand cultural pride in other cultures, like most Americans.
This is exactly it. There is a literal fight that the protests represent, that some commenters here (no offense intended, we’re all on the same side) can’t see past; and there is a symbolic fight.
The symbolic fight defines how we think of ourselves - which I do think is important, that we are the true voice of the American project - but also how the rest of the country views Trump’s illegal use of military troops. The Mexican flag does not help either symbolic goal. It’s counterproductive.
Which looks worse? A country blatantly attacking its own citizens flying its own flag? Or a country attacking illegal immigrants flying a flag of a foreign country we’ve kinda’ had a war with in the past?
Those people are legal nonresidents you dipshit. They are protesting against the deportation of legally present foreign nationals. That’s the entire fucking point of the protest. What you’re calling ‘bad-optics’ is just flat out racist jingoism. There’s nothing wrong or illegal about flying another country’s flag, except through the racist logic of mass deportation. There isn’t anything wrong with protesting as a legal non-resident against your own targeted deportation.
Libs are afraid of Trump taking power under the delusion of some foreign invasion, and their genius strategy to stop him is to hide away anyone who gives latin-american vibes? Put away all the cultural and national symbolism so that we can say ‘look, there’s no invasion, there aren’t any latin-american immigrants here’? This is like people advocating for trans rights by arguing that it’s extremely rare to be trans. Ok, yea maybe that’s true, but it’s not a problem to be trans anyway, why does it matter at all if there are a lot of them or not? And if someone was running around scaremongering about marxists transing the youth, wouldn’t it then suddenly be a problem for libs if trans people were loudly and proudly displaying their identities?
Jesus christ, we are so fucking cooked. If this many liberals are totally bought in to this ‘bad protest optics’ shit, they will 100% be collaborating with the fascists.
Yes, I accounted for that, you ignorant fool… Try using reading comprehension this time:
Do you think Fox News is going to clarify that some brown guy waving a Mexican flag is actually a legal temp worker, or even US citizen? You seem to be completely and utterly ignorant as to how propaganda works…
Most people are idiots that will not pick through the BS. THAT is why you must avoid bad optics, because the VAST majority of people who don’t ALREADY agree with you will use every assumption given to them to continue disagreeing with you.
Are they wrong? Yes. Do they think they are wrong? Hell no! Only a fool like you would continue to feed their assinine assumptions.
Who said whitewashing was what I was asking for? I only mentioned the Mexican flag. Your understanding of optics seems to be rather jouvenile and black and white…
You’re saying protestors shouldn’t use Mexican symbols in their protest because it will be used as reactionary fodder for fascists. That’s the definition of whitewashing.
to alter (something) in a way that favors, features, or caters to white people
It used to be that nonviolent protest was intended to provoke a violent suppressive reaction from the state. It might be uncomfortable to some but I think the white moderate that MLK agitated against are the same people concern trolling over the optics of various forms of nonviolent protest now.
Agitation is the point. Provoking violence from the state is the point.
Yea, but provoking violence to what end?
People aren’t doing it just to get beat up. It’s about making a fascist regime look as bad as they are. Which looks worse? A country blatantly attacking its own citizens flying its own flag? Or a country attacking illegal immigrants flying a flag of a foreign country we’ve kinda’ had a war with in the past?
One of these has much more powerful imagery, especially for the dumdums who do not understand cultural pride in other cultures, like most Americans.
This is exactly it. There is a literal fight that the protests represent, that some commenters here (no offense intended, we’re all on the same side) can’t see past; and there is a symbolic fight.
The symbolic fight defines how we think of ourselves - which I do think is important, that we are the true voice of the American project - but also how the rest of the country views Trump’s illegal use of military troops. The Mexican flag does not help either symbolic goal. It’s counterproductive.
Those people are legal nonresidents you dipshit. They are protesting against the deportation of legally present foreign nationals. That’s the entire fucking point of the protest. What you’re calling ‘bad-optics’ is just flat out racist jingoism. There’s nothing wrong or illegal about flying another country’s flag, except through the racist logic of mass deportation. There isn’t anything wrong with protesting as a legal non-resident against your own targeted deportation.
Libs are afraid of Trump taking power under the delusion of some foreign invasion, and their genius strategy to stop him is to hide away anyone who gives latin-american vibes? Put away all the cultural and national symbolism so that we can say ‘look, there’s no invasion, there aren’t any latin-american immigrants here’? This is like people advocating for trans rights by arguing that it’s extremely rare to be trans. Ok, yea maybe that’s true, but it’s not a problem to be trans anyway, why does it matter at all if there are a lot of them or not? And if someone was running around scaremongering about marxists transing the youth, wouldn’t it then suddenly be a problem for libs if trans people were loudly and proudly displaying their identities?
Jesus christ, we are so fucking cooked. If this many liberals are totally bought in to this ‘bad protest optics’ shit, they will 100% be collaborating with the fascists.
Yes, I accounted for that, you ignorant fool… Try using reading comprehension this time:
Do you think Fox News is going to clarify that some brown guy waving a Mexican flag is actually a legal temp worker, or even US citizen? You seem to be completely and utterly ignorant as to how propaganda works…
Most people are idiots that will not pick through the BS. THAT is why you must avoid bad optics, because the VAST majority of people who don’t ALREADY agree with you will use every assumption given to them to continue disagreeing with you.
Are they wrong? Yes. Do they think they are wrong? Hell no! Only a fool like you would continue to feed their assinine assumptions.
You don’t combat racism by whitewashing your protests.
Who said whitewashing was what I was asking for? I only mentioned the Mexican flag. Your understanding of optics seems to be rather jouvenile and black and white…
You’re saying protestors shouldn’t use Mexican symbols in their protest because it will be used as reactionary fodder for fascists. That’s the definition of whitewashing.