Being in prison sucks though. No matter what. I mean Norwegian prisons are very clean and remarkably comfortable, and Japanese prisons have top notch food (freshly cooked and with fresh ingredients). But I would rather not have the choking lack of freedom in any of them.
There are norwegian prison communities where they can do pretty much anything you could so in a normal community. There are like 5 guards for the entire community.
If you are safe from the prisoners and guards, get clean accommodations, are well fed, get outside/gym time for fitness, medical care, time to learn a vocation or study, occasional entertainment time (tv or whatever)… the only thing missing is a romantic partner… honestly, it sounds as good as an all inclusive retreat/vacation.
I imagine not having control over your own life for years at a time would wear one down. But months? If I knew my outside people weren’t suffering because of my actions, it sounds kind of nice.
But I’m an introvert that works from home, so, I’d miss my pets.
The thing is, any country that takes care of their prisoners this well also takes care of their own homeless population. If Norway treats its prisoners this well, imagine what their homeless shelters are like.
Dude, it is still a prison. Saying ‘yeah I could use a highly regimented living space for a while’ is one thing. But a prison is still something else.
Workhouses in Victorian England were very harsh places, sometimes even harsher than the prisons of the time… but they were not prisons. If a workhouse inmate wanted to leave, they could up and go at any moment without anyone stopping them. Because it was not a prison.
The difference is that your example is designed to exploit you and, generally, your freedom amounts to “leave and get exploited elsewhere.” This is the same for poverty. Sure, technically you could walk away… But to do what? Suffer elsewhere in poverty?
Those in Swedish prisons aren’t free to leave, but that’s not the only kind of freedom that exists. Freedom from starvation, danger, from the influences that lead to the crime that put you in prison. Is it really so hard to imagine a world where you might give up some freedom for real, tangible safety and peace of mind?
Being in prison sucks though. No matter what. I mean Norwegian prisons are very clean and remarkably comfortable, and Japanese prisons have top notch food (freshly cooked and with fresh ingredients). But I would rather not have the choking lack of freedom in any of them.
For many people, being imprisoned in one of these places would grant them a lot more freedom than they currently have.
I’m sure there’s a starving person in poverty that would disagree. Terrible thought but desperation is common in the working class.
stories of people robbing a bank for $1 to get into prison for medical care comes to mind
There are norwegian prison communities where they can do pretty much anything you could so in a normal community. There are like 5 guards for the entire community.
Wasn’t it Sweden that forgot to lock the prisoners up so they went and baked cakes?
If you are safe from the prisoners and guards, get clean accommodations, are well fed, get outside/gym time for fitness, medical care, time to learn a vocation or study, occasional entertainment time (tv or whatever)… the only thing missing is a romantic partner… honestly, it sounds as good as an all inclusive retreat/vacation.
I imagine not having control over your own life for years at a time would wear one down. But months? If I knew my outside people weren’t suffering because of my actions, it sounds kind of nice.
But I’m an introvert that works from home, so, I’d miss my pets.
That’s a rather glaring flaw. I mean, there’s an alternative in prisons or so they say, but only applies to a subset of people if voluntary.
The thing is, any country that takes care of their prisoners this well also takes care of their own homeless population. If Norway treats its prisoners this well, imagine what their homeless shelters are like.
Dude, it is still a prison. Saying ‘yeah I could use a highly regimented living space for a while’ is one thing. But a prison is still something else.
Workhouses in Victorian England were very harsh places, sometimes even harsher than the prisons of the time… but they were not prisons. If a workhouse inmate wanted to leave, they could up and go at any moment without anyone stopping them. Because it was not a prison.
The difference is that your example is designed to exploit you and, generally, your freedom amounts to “leave and get exploited elsewhere.” This is the same for poverty. Sure, technically you could walk away… But to do what? Suffer elsewhere in poverty?
Those in Swedish prisons aren’t free to leave, but that’s not the only kind of freedom that exists. Freedom from starvation, danger, from the influences that lead to the crime that put you in prison. Is it really so hard to imagine a world where you might give up some freedom for real, tangible safety and peace of mind?
find a pet friendly prison. dont let your dreams stay dreams!
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7697666/