Things are undoubtedly bad at Tesla. Its sales are dwindling. Its profits are plunging, as is its share price. There are regular protests outside its showrooms. The Cybertruck is a flop. And somehow, it’s actually a lot worse than that.

The 71% drop in net income it just reported may have been overshadowed by CEO Elon Musk’s announcement that he would be stepping back from his controversial duties at the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE). But that drop is just one indication of serious financial sickness at the EV maker, problems brought on by falling sales for the first time in its history and falling prices for electric vehicles.

The bottom line problem at Tesla is its vanishing bottom line. A deeper look at its first quarter report shows it’s now losing money on what should be its ostensible reason for existence – selling cars.

It was only able to post a $409 million profit in the quarter thanks to the sale of $595 million worth of regulatory credits to other automakers.

But if the Trump administration gets its way, the company can kiss those regulatory credits keeping it in the black goodbye, too.

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      22 hours ago

      We already have that

      Yes, we have the definitions, but I haven’t read about whether they’re effectively required. Is there a test, a certification authority, rules for liability or revocation? Have we established a way to actually require it.

      I hope we wouldn’t let manufacturers self-certify, although historical data is important evidence. I hope we don’t aid profitability of manufacturers by either limiting liability or creating a path to justice doomed to fail

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        This stuff is highly regulated https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_of_self-driving_cars

        Mercedes has the first autonomous car (L3) you can buy, which you can only activate at low speeds on certain roads in Germany. It’s only possible because of Lidar sensors and when activated you are legally allowed to look at your phone as long as you can take over in 10 or so seconds.

        You aren’t allowed to do this in a Tesla, since the government doesn’t categorize Teslas as autonomous vehicles which requires L3+.

        No car manufacturer can sell real autonomous vehicles without government approval. Tesla FSD is just Marketing bs. Others are far ahead in terms of autonomous driving tech.

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      22 hours ago

      The thing is humans are horrible drivers, costing a huge toll in lives and property every year.

      We may already be at the point where we need to deal with the ethics of inadequate self-driving causing too many accidents vs human causing more. We can clearly see the shortcomings of all self driving technology so far, but is it ethical to block Immature technology if it does overall save lives?

      Maybe it’s the trolley problem. Should we take the branch that leads to deaths or the branch that leads to more deaths

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        The thing is humans are horrible drivers, costing a huge toll in lives and property every year.

        True

        We may already be at the point where we need to deal with the ethics of inadequate self-driving causing too many accidents vs human causing more.

        Are you talking about waymo vs human driver? It’s currently (and maybe never) economical to roll that out globally. That would cost trillions and probably wouldn’t even be feasible everywhere.

        Teslas aren’t autonomous but just mere driving assistants so you can’t compare them. Otherwise you’d also have to include the Mercedeses (which btw have the first commercial Level 3 car), BMWs, BYDs, …

        but is it ethical to block Immature technology if it does overall save lives?

        It would be very unethical to allow companies to profit from dangerous and unsafe technology that kills people.

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          17 hours ago

          No manufacturer does good self-driving yet.

          Several manufacturers including Tesla make driver assistants more reliable than humans in at least some cases, possibly most of the time.

          It’s easy to say you don’t want to allow companies to profit from unsafe technology that kills people but what is the other choice? If you send the trolley down the other track, you’re choosing different deaths at the hands of unsafe humans. We will soon be at the point, or already are, that your choice kills more people. Is that really such an easy choice?

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            9 hours ago

            We will soon be at the point, or already are, that your choice kills more people.

            Where do you get that? From Elon?

            Yes safety features and driving assistants make driving safer. Letting the car drive by itself not (especially with Teslas).