• cfgaussian@lemmygrad.mlOP
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    2 months ago

    I remember the Ghost of Kiev and the grannies with pickle jars taking down Russian jets too.

    No, but on a more serious note, you just have to wait a while on these sorts of things until the fog of war has lifted before you can understand what actually happened. Especially when there is so much propaganda and cope from the Ukrainian side, while the Russians (and here i don’t mean the Telegram rumor mills) typically like to stay silent until after an operation is completed.

    There are always a lot of poorly substantiated rumors and misinformation right at the moment when something is happening. I think we’re not really going to have a clear picture of some of the things that have been happening in this conflict until long after it’s over, and historians as well as the soldiers involved start writing books about it.

    Until then we are very much dealing with incomplete information. But in this case there are some facts on the ground that appear to be fairly indisputable, and one of those is that the entire Kursk pocket is rapidly collapsing. We can’t be sure on the details but the broad picture is more or less confirmed by both sides.

    As for what i personally think happened, and this is just my opinion, i think that if the whole operation had been a complete fiasco then the Ukrainians would have posted non stop videos and pictures of dead and captured Russians. What we instead saw was that there was suddenly a rapid collapse of Ukrainian positions in the northern Kursk pocket, which may or may not have had something to do with this operation. That would be something that you’d expect to happen if they suddenly discovered that they had an entire Russian unit unexpectedly appear behind them. Logically it checks out, but of course this is still just conjecture.