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Spectre@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 6 months ago

Illegal invasion vs Buffer Zone

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Spectre@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 6 months ago
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    Regarding Ukraine, there could be nothing further than truth https://youtu.be/7gxssycoxz0

    As for Israel the problem is more that it isn’t a lapdog, it looks like US is Israel’s lapdog. As it looks like Israel does whatever it wants even if it is against US interests, and US still supports it.

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      Regarding Ukraine, there could be nothing further than truth https://youtu.be/7gxssycoxz0

      Yeah I’m not watching a 35 minute video with no context or explanation. I also didn’t say anything about NATO expansion, the apparent topic of the video.

      Perhaps you could describe what you think it wrong about what I have said.

      As for Israel the problem is more that it isn’t a lapdog, it looks like US is Israel’s lapdog.

      Israel knows its value to US interests and leverages this to its advantage, but never confuse this for Israel being the lapdog. They are dependent on US “aid”, weapons, investment, and diplomatic cover. Do you really think that tiny country is dominant over the global superpower?

      Also, be careful when making this claim, as it is often made in antisemitic circles.

      As it looks like Israel does whatever it wants even if it is against US interests, and US still supports it.

      This is because it is otherwise fully aligned with the interests of the US ruling class. It serves a useful purpose. This is also because US propaganda would have you believe that it never tolerates, say, the killing of Americans. Of course it does, it just uses this as an excuse when it wants to do something terrible to another country.

    • davel [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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      Regarding Ukraine, there could be nothing further than truth https://youtu.be/7gxssycoxz0

      NATO expansion:

      • George Washington Univ., 2017: NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner
      • Orinoco Tribune, 2022: Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War With Russia
      • Al Mayadeen, 2023: Zelensky admits he never intended to implement Minsk agreements
      • Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace
      • Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: NATO Chief Admits NATO Expansion Was Key to Russian Invasion of Ukraine

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      NATO in general:

      • The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
      • CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
      • Noam Chomsky, 2023: NATO “most violent, aggressive alliance in the world”
      • Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism
      • Gabriel Rockhill, 2020: The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It

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      Maidan coup & fascist attacks on Eastern Ukraine:

      • Reuters, 2014: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
      • Leaked recording between Nuland and Pyatt: audio | transcript
      • Counterpunch, 2014: US Imperialism and the Ukraine Coup
      • BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
      • Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
      • Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
      • The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
      • The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
      • WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
      • Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
      • The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
      • openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
      • Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
      • Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
      • Consortium News, 2023: The West’s Sabotage of Peace in Ukraine Former Israeli Prime Minister Bennett’s recent comments about getting his mediation efforts squashed in the early days of the war adds more to the growing pile of evidence that Western powers are intent on regime change in Russia.
      • NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide

      As for Israel the problem is more that it isn’t a lapdog, it looks like US is Israel’s lapdog. As it looks like Israel does whatever it wants even if it is against US interests, and US still supports it.

      The tail is not wagging the dog. The US would shut it down if Israel ran up against US interests enough. But Israel doesn’t run up against US interests; it’s in line with them. Israel is the US’ unsinkable aircraft carrier in West Asia. As Biden has said throughout his career, “Were there not an Israel, the United States of America would have to invent an Israel to protect her interests in the region.”

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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      The former chief of NATO has already admitted that the war started due to NATO expansion, go peddle your propaganda somewhere else

      The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn’t sign that.

      The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that. So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders.

      https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_218172.htm

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