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It’s crazy reading reports about how some of these hostages were ‘kidnapped from their tanks’ with ‘other soldiers’.
Looking forward to the media showing the story for each of the 2000 released Palestinian hostages
Once the dead hostages are out, too, Israel will bomb Gaza to dust, killing everyone still living there.
I think the war went on too long. But Israel had every right to retaliate after Oct 7th. I’n glad they did. But it should have stopped a couple months in. Not two whole years with massive unjust collateral damage.
Perhaps someone else can provide a link, but there has been evidence that Israel knew about the Oct 7th attacks and allowed them to happen.
Oh great the world’s most precious people have finally been saved and all it took was a genocide on their behalf!
Hamas could have let them go and lay down their arms at any time to stop the war.
How did that work out for them the last….10 or so times Israel violated a ceasefire agreement?
There was a ceasefire on October 6th 2023.
How did digging in deep and fighting tooth and nail work out for Hamas? It invited total destruction.
I need some entertainment. How are you going to explain this away this time?
@eporetsky@lemmy.world explain yourself
Israel could have ended occupation and could accept the deal Hamas proposed to release the hostages few days after 7 of October massacres
Are you aware that Hamas considers all of Israel to be occupied Palestine?
You are in fact suggesting, Israel could have just rolled over, dissolved itself, and surrendered to Hamas.
The deals Hamas offered were practically an Israeli surrender. Why should Israel allow Hamas to stay in power, claim victory, rearm, and do another October 7th in five years?
Are you aware that Hamas has no advanced weapons to be able to destroy Israel? Are you aware that I do not support the destruction of Israel although Israel is the one trying to destroy Palestine right now?
The deals Hamas offered was not an Israeli surrender because Israel always rearrest people released during previous deal.
Netenyahu always said he reject any kind of Palestinian state so why do you still act like Hamas is the problem and not Israel the occupier who refuse to return post 67 Palestinians land. Israel is not goin anywhere so what the hell do Israel keep building illegal settlements in the west bank and arms and protects the settler terrorists?
Israel could have stopped operating the largest and most inhumane open-air prison in our lifetime at any point in the past 25 years and significantly fewer people would have died, I’m sure.
The first offer from Hamas to let go all the hostages to Israel was on the 09.10.2023. The Israeli government rejected it then and has rejected it ever since: https://www.timesofisrael.com/no-doubt-netanyahu-preventing-hostage-deal-charges-ex-spokesman-of-families-forum/
In fact, Hamas has stated that they are not interested in any future government in Gaza about a year ago and instead wanted a Palestinian technocratic body to take over. You know what happened? Israel murdered the diplomatic leadership of Hamas in November 2024. And then Israel and the US came out and said, that they had no one to negotiate with. And just a few weeks ago, they tried the same.
In negotiations early this year with Witkoff and others, Hamas even put this in writing - again with the offer of releasing all the hostages - contingent on a stop of Israeli aggression, the continuation of humanitarian aid and the Israeli troops to withdraw from the strip. That treaty was then changed by the US and Israel in May this year before it was rejected.
This has been modus operandi from the beginning from the US and Israel. After they had a deal, change it, make it look as if Hamas is rejecting the deal and capitalize on it. In fact, if you go back in history, you’ll find the same strategy over and over again, to make it look like “Palestinians rejected peace”.
And last but not least: You are telling people to lay down their weapons, that have been under a brutal siege for over two years, while ignoring the side that put in place the siege and genocidal aggression.
Hamas has been willing to hand over governership of Gaza to a Unity Government for over 10 years. When they first made the agreement back in 2014, Israel bombed them. Not in the 2008 Gaza war or the 2012 Gaza war, but actually it was the 2014 Gaza war.
Yes indeed, that’s true. The difference is that now, they don’t even want to be part of a future “unity government” like in 2014. The only thing they demand now is that the government body consist of Palestinians. Or in other words: Palestinian self-determination.
Hamas calling for Israel to not react to their attack two days earlier is ridiculous.
No, they very obviously could not have. Israel was intent on committing genocide regardless of what Palestinians did. You’re blaming the victims of an atrocity and should feel ashamed.
people being this clueless still amazes me.
Nobody typing that is clueless, they’re getting paid (or scammed, if they’re not getting paid).
All all those lemmy news communities mods let Zionists spread the propaganda
When they weren’t spreading it themselves.
Exactly, anyone still this clueless is a troll.
They barricaded them in a prison city. They even blockaded any sea access they had. They shot tank rounds at children for fun. They eradicated every single building they could. Spare us the diatribe. Fuck Israel.
When Israel left Gaza in 2005, there was no blockade. It took years of attacks until it was instated to stop the smuggling of weapons.
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Now that we have our chosen ones back, we start bombing again, yay!
So no excuses anymore. You got your POWs back. Any aggression on the people of Gaza is just for your bloodlust (as it has been this whole time). No more hiding their genocidal psychopathic behavior behind false pretenses.
You got your POWs back
Who is “you” & why do you think they’re on lemmy? Are we playing to the gallery?
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Israel has 1900 Palestinians, and yet they claim that they are the good guys…
Fuck Israel
Some of them that have been imprisoned for 20 years.
The last figure i read was 9619. Im not sure where you saw that but im pretty sure it is outdated.
Edit: even the article i read is a year outdated, but it is an israeli source so im sure its still an undercount https://www.btselem.org/statistics/detainees_and_prisoners
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So…now more bombing? I hope it stops here but I doubt it.
The war has destroyed large swaths of Gaza and displaced about 90% of its some 2 million residents. It has also triggered other conflicts in the region, sparked worldwide protests and led to allegations of genocide that Israel denies.
Leaders from all over the world are making a show of it in honor of the reality-TV-star-US-president. They only invite one Palestinian representative (Abbas) from the PA to their talks. The same PA that controls only parts of the West-Bank and is highly unpopular with the Palestinian populace because they are seen as collaborators with the occupation. The “peace” “deal” came about without involvement of Palestinians. Just like 100 years ago, the fate of Palestine is being decided by colonial powers.
All the while, militant groups (if they were fighting against Israel they would be rightfully called terrorists) are continuing Israels’s tradition of killing journalists in the strip and are fighting Hamas for control.
Now we don’t know which groups these are, but back in June Netanyahu has admitted to backing militant groups in Gaza. Occam’s Razor would imply, that these would be among them.
It’s good that the bombings have stopped, that humanitarian aid has started to reach a population under a medieval-style siege for so long, offering a bit of - even if incomplete - respite. But I fear for the population once the show in Cairo is over.
EDIT: And no one is looking at the horror that is going on in the West-Bank. Nor is anyone including any points in a “deal”.
PA are collaborators not a single doubt about it
The PA is the internationally recognized representative of the Palestinian people. When other governments recognize the state of Palestine, it’s the PA they recognize as its government.
The PA is an arm of Israeli Apartheid, Occupation, and Suppression.
The PA creates the appearance of Palestinian autonomy, but in fact, much like the governments of the Bantustans of apartheid South Africa, it is simply an extension of the colonial state, a tool of counterinsurgency that is highly effective for the repression of local rebellions, because it makes the native population police itself. Fatah, which was a revolutionary movement in the early days of the armed struggle, is now mostly contained by the PA.
Israel’s stabilization strategy, inspired by modern counterinsurgency doctrine, has rested on two pillars: the employment of pacification measures to co-opt Palestinians and reliance on the Palestinian Authority (PA) to police its population on Israel’s behalf. However, many Palestinians are now fighting back against this approach, while the PA’s eroding legitimacy has only hardened the population’s refusal to accept its restrictive methods.
It is presented here as it has been perceived by the Israeli policymakers and bureaucrats down the years. For them the PA was an integral and crucial component in the open-air prison model suggested in the 1990s, and one which the pragmatic elite of Israel still hopes to instate in the West Bank, at least in the near future.
- Ilan Pappe - The Biggest Prison on Earth
In appearance, the PA has all the trappings of a state, with ministries and a civil service, but Israel wields the real power, turning the tap on tax revenue, and controlling access to the shrinking territories – a status quo often compared with the Bantustans of apartheid-era South Africa.
The PA has actively helped Israel to keep tight control over the Palestinian population. Many perceive the body as a tool of the Israeli security apparatus, its US-trained forces not only targeting those suspected of planning attacks on Israelis, but also arresting union figures, journalists and critics on social media.
Israel relies on this division of the West Bank to foster the fiction that the Palestinian Authority is the entity primarily responsible for administering the life of the majority of Palestinians in the West Bank. In practice, however, Israel still retains control over the entire West Bank and all its residents.
That is not entirely true. Italy and Japan for example have just a few weeks ago said, that they are thinking of recognition of a Palestinian state making it contingent on several changes of Hamas.
But this is neither here or there. If among a whole people, the only organization that is invited does represent only a minority of the people, which can be seen from their low approval, then this meeting is a farce. In the case of the PA, if you read the linked article, they have actively focused on cracking down on anti-occupation groups in Jenin, while Israel has forced around 40000 Palestinians out of their homes during ‘Operation Iron Wall’ early this year. Instead of opposing, they colluded. This is not the Palestinian people deciding their own fate, but colonial powers imposing their will on them.
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Good for Hamas. Hopefully no more genocide for the future.
Hopefully no more genocide for the future.
Unfortunately nope: https://www.palestinechronicle.com/hamas-disarmament-demand-rejected-as-out-of-the-question/
Or do you have any reason to believe that Hamas will not try this again?
Why the idf who does similar crimes to what hamas did during 7 of october for much much longer time isn’t called to be disarmed?
In what other war have the winners been forced to disarm?
In what other occupation, did the occupied decided to drop their arms and accept being oppresed by the occupiers?
You really think there was ever any possibility of israel letting gaza remain armed? Thats full-on delusional.
But to answer your question, the axis powers in ww2 accepted pretty much exactly that- disarm and let others administer your government.
The occupiers will never let the occupied remained armed and the occupied will never let themselves get disarmed .
The allies never intended to occupy the axis countries forever and plan to replace the population with their so it’s not the same thing. Black South Africa kept fighting for their freedom, slaves kept fighting till they was liberated, all those African countries who get rid of it’s occupiers kept fighting till liberation, India kept fighting for freedom for 200 goddamn year
Who are you with the occupier or the occupied with all it’s imperfection?
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Back to propagating illegal settlements.
Naive of you to think they ever cared in the first place. Bibi will gladly murder half of Israel population with his bare hands if that means he gets to murder some Palestinians more. And he’s not alone in that.
